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	<title>Comments on: Project Agape&#8217;s Causes Does Not Report December Numbers</title>
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		<title>By: Social Source Commons Blog &#187; Blog Archives &#187; Facebook Causes Drama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Social Source Commons Blog &#187; Blog Archives &#187; Facebook Causes Drama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Allan Benamer</title>
		<link>http://www.nonprofittechblog.org/project-agapes-causes-does-not-report-december-numbers/comment-page-1#comment-95243</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Benamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@tina,

I don&#039;t quite understand what you mean with your comment. Can you explain further what you mean? There was no blog that was being commented upon in this article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@tina,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t quite understand what you mean with your comment. Can you explain further what you mean? There was no blog that was being commented upon in this article.</p>
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		<title>By: tina oiticica harris</title>
		<link>http://www.nonprofittechblog.org/project-agapes-causes-does-not-report-december-numbers/comment-page-1#comment-95242</link>
		<dc:creator>tina oiticica harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I donate to Habitat for Humanity on a monthly basis. The other donations on my list are some local museums and the NY Met Museum.

I have never donated money thru a blog. There would have to be something inspiring and compelling about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I donate to Habitat for Humanity on a monthly basis. The other donations on my list are some local museums and the NY Met Museum.</p>
<p>I have never donated money thru a blog. There would have to be something inspiring and compelling about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Biedermann</title>
		<link>http://www.nonprofittechblog.org/project-agapes-causes-does-not-report-december-numbers/comment-page-1#comment-95241</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Biedermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, our SaaS offering, DonorPerfect Online offers an open API- We&#039;ve made it available for over 4 years and have over 100 customers using it.  I&#039;ll admit we need to do a better job marketing it outside our current client base (Look for sandbox.donorperfect.com soon).


You&#039;re right about the drop in Causes activity happening in December- that&#039;s indeed bizarre.  Our own on-line statistics from our clients showed a 300% increase from the beginning of November through December.

It could be the demographic, but I think there&#039;s something else going on there.

-Jon Biedermann
DonorPerfect Fundraising Software</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, our SaaS offering, DonorPerfect Online offers an open API- We&#8217;ve made it available for over 4 years and have over 100 customers using it.  I&#8217;ll admit we need to do a better job marketing it outside our current client base (Look for sandbox.donorperfect.com soon).</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right about the drop in Causes activity happening in December- that&#8217;s indeed bizarre.  Our own on-line statistics from our clients showed a 300% increase from the beginning of November through December.</p>
<p>It could be the demographic, but I think there&#8217;s something else going on there.</p>
<p>-Jon Biedermann<br />
DonorPerfect Fundraising Software</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Benamer</title>
		<link>http://www.nonprofittechblog.org/project-agapes-causes-does-not-report-december-numbers/comment-page-1#comment-95240</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Benamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, it&#039;s possible but we&#039;re talking about one number here -- did they reach $825k donations in December? If it&#039;s actually difficult for Causes to report that number, one would really have to question their lack of operational alacrity. 

Or even better, they could even tell me &quot;we&#039;re busy with the Giving Challenge&quot;. There are numerous ways to settle this issue but by not saying anything I think they&#039;re ceding ground to the thought that they didn&#039;t get the $825k. 

However, the preliminary data shows a drop of nearly 50% in user activity from their November highs with much of that drop occurring during December. It&#039;s a bizarre statistic given that time of year and I&#039;d love to see them explain it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, it&#8217;s possible but we&#8217;re talking about one number here &#8212; did they reach $825k donations in December? If it&#8217;s actually difficult for Causes to report that number, one would really have to question their lack of operational alacrity. </p>
<p>Or even better, they could even tell me &#8220;we&#8217;re busy with the Giving Challenge&#8221;. There are numerous ways to settle this issue but by not saying anything I think they&#8217;re ceding ground to the thought that they didn&#8217;t get the $825k. </p>
<p>However, the preliminary data shows a drop of nearly 50% in user activity from their November highs with much of that drop occurring during December. It&#8217;s a bizarre statistic given that time of year and I&#8217;d love to see them explain it.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://www.nonprofittechblog.org/project-agapes-causes-does-not-report-december-numbers/comment-page-1#comment-95239</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it possible that they are just busy with the end of the Giving Challenge?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it possible that they are just busy with the end of the Giving Challenge?</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Benamer</title>
		<link>http://www.nonprofittechblog.org/project-agapes-causes-does-not-report-december-numbers/comment-page-1#comment-95238</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Benamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 04:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Jon, you hit upon one of the &quot;secrets&quot; of working in the nonprofit sector as a fundraising vendor. It&#039;s difficult to accommodate thousands of smaller nonprofits and I think that Causes is just finding that out. I have to say that this issue isn&#039;t unique to Causes though. Many would-be new online fundraising vendors are just finding this out due to their initial ignorance of the difficulties inherent to fundraising.

It IS important to mesh CRM with online fundraising. However, a lot of the newer online fundraising vendors don&#039;t like to share donor data. Even if they did, it&#039;s a lot of data interchange which surprise, surprise, many CRM vendors are really bad at due to their inability to properly implement an open API. Even if socialmarkets or Causes or change.org wanted to do data interchange -- very few CRM vendors would be ready for it.

Does DonorPerfect have an API that would allow for such a thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Jon, you hit upon one of the &#8220;secrets&#8221; of working in the nonprofit sector as a fundraising vendor. It&#8217;s difficult to accommodate thousands of smaller nonprofits and I think that Causes is just finding that out. I have to say that this issue isn&#8217;t unique to Causes though. Many would-be new online fundraising vendors are just finding this out due to their initial ignorance of the difficulties inherent to fundraising.</p>
<p>It IS important to mesh CRM with online fundraising. However, a lot of the newer online fundraising vendors don&#8217;t like to share donor data. Even if they did, it&#8217;s a lot of data interchange which surprise, surprise, many CRM vendors are really bad at due to their inability to properly implement an open API. Even if socialmarkets or Causes or change.org wanted to do data interchange &#8212; very few CRM vendors would be ready for it.</p>
<p>Does DonorPerfect have an API that would allow for such a thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Biedermann</title>
		<link>http://www.nonprofittechblog.org/project-agapes-causes-does-not-report-december-numbers/comment-page-1#comment-95234</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Biedermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allan,

I think the real problem is that the vast majority (I would guess &gt; 98%) of the Causes that are listed have raised little or no money.  

There is an enormous cost of doing business this way, to collect the fees and have systems in place that aggregate the donations AND send a check out once a month.  In many cases, the cost of processing and physically mailing a check may cost 2-3 times more than the fees they receive.

Also, I do agree with you that in order to be successful, Causes will have to align themselves with one of us (or all of us) in the CRM industry to make it easy for our clients to use their application.  (We have 6000+ clients, and quite a few are looking at this).

Depending on individual users to be passionate about a cause is not the best way to go to build this business- you&#039;ll be stuck with large numbers of small causes and lose money on every single one.

It is much more effective to build relationships with non-profits who can then mobilize their fanatical donors to setup these social fundraising networks.  But, again, there&#039;s a real cost to doing this- you have to hire $$$ account managers to call on non-profits to convince them to use your product- and counting on the transaction fees alone doesn&#039;t work because despite your best effort, most of these non-profits will not be able to execute a successful on-line fundraising plan without lots of help.

Besides this main factor, there&#039;s other Facebook limitations as well.  For example, it&#039;s my understanding you can only send out 20 invitations a day.  Again, this is fine for small org&#039;s, but doesn&#039;t work for bigger ones.  There also seems to be a disconnect that the names of the donors aren&#039;t shared with the non-profit.  This is a huge turn-off for larger orgs because they do have CRM systems in place to track this, so why use a fundraising application like Causes that doesn&#039;t?

I really like Causes and think they are on to something that has the potential to be big, and they need to figure it out before they lose their momentum.

  
-Jon Biedermann
DonorPerfect Fundraising Software</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allan,</p>
<p>I think the real problem is that the vast majority (I would guess &gt; 98%) of the Causes that are listed have raised little or no money.  </p>
<p>There is an enormous cost of doing business this way, to collect the fees and have systems in place that aggregate the donations AND send a check out once a month.  In many cases, the cost of processing and physically mailing a check may cost 2-3 times more than the fees they receive.</p>
<p>Also, I do agree with you that in order to be successful, Causes will have to align themselves with one of us (or all of us) in the CRM industry to make it easy for our clients to use their application.  (We have 6000+ clients, and quite a few are looking at this).</p>
<p>Depending on individual users to be passionate about a cause is not the best way to go to build this business- you&#8217;ll be stuck with large numbers of small causes and lose money on every single one.</p>
<p>It is much more effective to build relationships with non-profits who can then mobilize their fanatical donors to setup these social fundraising networks.  But, again, there&#8217;s a real cost to doing this- you have to hire $$$ account managers to call on non-profits to convince them to use your product- and counting on the transaction fees alone doesn&#8217;t work because despite your best effort, most of these non-profits will not be able to execute a successful on-line fundraising plan without lots of help.</p>
<p>Besides this main factor, there&#8217;s other Facebook limitations as well.  For example, it&#8217;s my understanding you can only send out 20 invitations a day.  Again, this is fine for small org&#8217;s, but doesn&#8217;t work for bigger ones.  There also seems to be a disconnect that the names of the donors aren&#8217;t shared with the non-profit.  This is a huge turn-off for larger orgs because they do have CRM systems in place to track this, so why use a fundraising application like Causes that doesn&#8217;t?</p>
<p>I really like Causes and think they are on to something that has the potential to be big, and they need to figure it out before they lose their momentum.</p>
<p>-Jon Biedermann<br />
DonorPerfect Fundraising Software</p>
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