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		<title>By: Should unions invest in Facebook apps?&#160;&#124;&#160;Creative Unions</title>
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		<dc:creator>Should unions invest in Facebook apps?&#160;&#124;&#160;Creative Unions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of people use the Causes app, it has largely failed as a means for NFP to fundraise. There is also growing evidence, at least for the NFP sector, that specific Facebook apps do not experience wide-scale take up or [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of people use the Causes app, it has largely failed as a means for NFP to fundraise. There is also growing evidence, at least for the NFP sector, that specific Facebook apps do not experience wide-scale take up or [...]</p>
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		<dc:creator>Highlights, week of 5/5 &#171; i On Nonprofits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 20:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Allen Benamer’s Nonprofit Tech Blog… Do nonprofit Facebook apps fail because they&#8217;re too useful? Allen tries to suss out what’s responsible for the dip in users of the Facebook Causes [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Allen Benamer’s Nonprofit Tech Blog… Do nonprofit Facebook apps fail because they&#8217;re too useful? Allen tries to suss out what’s responsible for the dip in users of the Facebook Causes [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Benamer</title>
		<link>http://www.nonprofittechblog.org/do-nonprofit-facebook-apps-fail-because-theyre-too-useful/comment-page-1#comment-95551</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Benamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 15:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve sent the questions to Simon via e-mail. He says he&#039;ll get back to me after the weekend.

As for &quot;viral coefficient&quot;, I was meaning to comment on that. What is the main difference between the old-school &quot;churn rate&quot; and &quot;viral coefficient&quot;? I prefer the Old English churn versus the Latin viral. OK, that was an English nerd moment there.

@Will Nourse: Is the problem of Facebook a signal/noise problem or is the problem a lack of organic site traffic on an originating nonprofit&#039;s site that leads to inactivity on Causes? I think we&#039;re still in holding mode waiting for more data on this. My guess is that if Justgiving can target a Facebook app just for its users, it might just be possible for nonprofits with lots of online traffic to do the same thing. Looking at it so far, it seems that Team in Training-type campaigns could benefit from a Facebook app as that seems to fit the same kind of demographic that Justgiving targeted with its app.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve sent the questions to Simon via e-mail. He says he&#8217;ll get back to me after the weekend.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;viral coefficient&#8221;, I was meaning to comment on that. What is the main difference between the old-school &#8220;churn rate&#8221; and &#8220;viral coefficient&#8221;? I prefer the Old English churn versus the Latin viral. OK, that was an English nerd moment there.</p>
<p>@Will Nourse: Is the problem of Facebook a signal/noise problem or is the problem a lack of organic site traffic on an originating nonprofit&#8217;s site that leads to inactivity on Causes? I think we&#8217;re still in holding mode waiting for more data on this. My guess is that if Justgiving can target a Facebook app just for its users, it might just be possible for nonprofits with lots of online traffic to do the same thing. Looking at it so far, it seems that Team in Training-type campaigns could benefit from a Facebook app as that seems to fit the same kind of demographic that Justgiving targeted with its app.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly Ross</title>
		<link>http://www.nonprofittechblog.org/do-nonprofit-facebook-apps-fail-because-theyre-too-useful/comment-page-1#comment-95544</link>
		<dc:creator>Holly Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 18:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great discussion. Kudos to Ben for saying viral coefficient!  It was impressive!  We just got a graph from Facebook a week or so ago about the kinds and number of apps developed.  Pressed for time, I just threw it out there to see what the NTEN community had to say at: http://nten.org/blog/2008/05/02/turns-out-everyone-just-wants-to-have-fun.
I think it backs up your argument that useful apps just aren&#039;t as compelling for end users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion. Kudos to Ben for saying viral coefficient!  It was impressive!  We just got a graph from Facebook a week or so ago about the kinds and number of apps developed.  Pressed for time, I just threw it out there to see what the NTEN community had to say at: <a href="http://nten.org/blog/2008/05/02/turns-out-everyone-just-wants-to-have-fun" rel="nofollow">http://nten.org/blog/2008/05/02/turns-out-everyone-just-wants-to-have-fun</a>.<br />
I think it backs up your argument that useful apps just aren&#8217;t as compelling for end users.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Benamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan Benamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 10:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh... Simon, you&#039;ve got my rapt attention over here. I&#039;ve got lots of questions:

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&lt;li&gt;Do you have a ceiling in your projections where you think the churn rate and the add rate will cancel each other out?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Did you optimize your Google Analytics to work with your Facebook app? Is that even possible?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;How did you survey your users regarding user satisfaction?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;What business factors led to the creation of the justgiving app?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Do you have a list of key performance indicators for the app?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

Plenty more after those but I didn&#039;t want to inundate you with an avalanche of questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh&#8230; Simon, you&#8217;ve got my rapt attention over here. I&#8217;ve got lots of questions:</p>
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<li>Do you have a ceiling in your projections where you think the churn rate and the add rate will cancel each other out?</li>
<li>Did you optimize your Google Analytics to work with your Facebook app? Is that even possible?</li>
<li>How did you survey your users regarding user satisfaction?</li>
<li>What business factors led to the creation of the justgiving app?</li>
<li>Do you have a list of key performance indicators for the app?</li>
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<p>Plenty more after those but I didn&#8217;t want to inundate you with an avalanche of questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Doggett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Doggett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 10:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Allan,

Firstly, thanks for featuring us, it&#039;s nice to be written about and great that the app has been noticed!

Growth has been steady since launch last summer (about a month or so after the FB app platform launched itself). Last time we checked the installs were at about 75,000 and the usage rate varies between 5-10%, which is pretty cool considering the app itself was designed to be purely functional and not sexy. It&#039;s only got a donate button on it, after all.

We have had a very large userbase for years now, so when we launched it was merely a case of letting our fundraising users know, and within hours we had hundreds of installs. So you&#039;re bang-on; having plenty of site traffic to send through to the app page has really helped grow those numbers.

We&#039;re not as much interested in spread of the *app*, but more about spread of our brand within FB, and getting across the concept you can use it to fundraise for anything. Most of our referral traffic is coming from FB&#039;s internal messaging system, wall-posts, groups and event pages. The app itself is responsible for about 10% of our FB referral traffic.

It&#039;s also worth noting that now, unsurprisingly, FB is our single biggest referrer, knocking Google off its perch earlier this year. Each month the gap between the two widens. 

My take on it is that our users are just looking for easier ways to ask their friends for donations, and Facebook is the least awkward way of doing so. The app plays a small part of that, but our focus is not only displaying which causes you support, but more about actually raising more money than thought possible. The dollar value of our Facebook referrals is huge.

The way Facebook has split an individual&#039;s social graph wide open has real synergy with this concept, and has made much more of an impact than email and non-platform-specific flash widgets (which we have too).

I&#039;m not expecting a *huge* summer dip in activity because the London Marathon is by no means our only big event of the year. However there is always a seasonal dip in P2P fundraising but we&#039;re not forecasting it to tail off. I still don&#039;t think it&#039;s hit the full potential yet since many of our users of older demographics are only just discovering Facebook. Also, it&#039;s wedding season and we get tons of wedding list pages asking for donations instead of shiny toasters.

We&#039;re now focusing on the potential impact of the forthcoming profile changes. Apps are cool but they&#039;re just part of our user&#039;s arsenal and as Ben points out, it&#039;s the viral efficiency within the whole system that counts. 

Totally happy to answer any questions you might have, we&#039;ve got tons of internal analytics data on this, as well as qual data on how people actually *want* this stuff to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Allan,</p>
<p>Firstly, thanks for featuring us, it&#8217;s nice to be written about and great that the app has been noticed!</p>
<p>Growth has been steady since launch last summer (about a month or so after the FB app platform launched itself). Last time we checked the installs were at about 75,000 and the usage rate varies between 5-10%, which is pretty cool considering the app itself was designed to be purely functional and not sexy. It&#8217;s only got a donate button on it, after all.</p>
<p>We have had a very large userbase for years now, so when we launched it was merely a case of letting our fundraising users know, and within hours we had hundreds of installs. So you&#8217;re bang-on; having plenty of site traffic to send through to the app page has really helped grow those numbers.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not as much interested in spread of the *app*, but more about spread of our brand within FB, and getting across the concept you can use it to fundraise for anything. Most of our referral traffic is coming from FB&#8217;s internal messaging system, wall-posts, groups and event pages. The app itself is responsible for about 10% of our FB referral traffic.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also worth noting that now, unsurprisingly, FB is our single biggest referrer, knocking Google off its perch earlier this year. Each month the gap between the two widens. </p>
<p>My take on it is that our users are just looking for easier ways to ask their friends for donations, and Facebook is the least awkward way of doing so. The app plays a small part of that, but our focus is not only displaying which causes you support, but more about actually raising more money than thought possible. The dollar value of our Facebook referrals is huge.</p>
<p>The way Facebook has split an individual&#8217;s social graph wide open has real synergy with this concept, and has made much more of an impact than email and non-platform-specific flash widgets (which we have too).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not expecting a *huge* summer dip in activity because the London Marathon is by no means our only big event of the year. However there is always a seasonal dip in P2P fundraising but we&#8217;re not forecasting it to tail off. I still don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s hit the full potential yet since many of our users of older demographics are only just discovering Facebook. Also, it&#8217;s wedding season and we get tons of wedding list pages asking for donations instead of shiny toasters.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re now focusing on the potential impact of the forthcoming profile changes. Apps are cool but they&#8217;re just part of our user&#8217;s arsenal and as Ben points out, it&#8217;s the viral efficiency within the whole system that counts. </p>
<p>Totally happy to answer any questions you might have, we&#8217;ve got tons of internal analytics data on this, as well as qual data on how people actually *want* this stuff to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Benamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan Benamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 09:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, if your thesis is correct, we should start to see steady erosion of active users of the Justgiving app fairly soon (a month perhaps?) as long as there are no additional external boosts provided to the app from Justgiving itself by additional cross-promotions.

Ultimately, if I were to boil down what you wrote into a rough rule of thumb, it would be:

You have to have enough site traffic to drive Facebook traffic to your app.

I&#039;m really curious as to what the summer will bring for the Justgiving app.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, if your thesis is correct, we should start to see steady erosion of active users of the Justgiving app fairly soon (a month perhaps?) as long as there are no additional external boosts provided to the app from Justgiving itself by additional cross-promotions.</p>
<p>Ultimately, if I were to boil down what you wrote into a rough rule of thumb, it would be:</p>
<p>You have to have enough site traffic to drive Facebook traffic to your app.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really curious as to what the summer will bring for the Justgiving app.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Rattray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Rattray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 06:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for mentioning my post, Allan.  Causes is an interesting case, in that it&#039;s one of the only &quot;useful&quot; apps that have gained widespread distribution.  The primary reason for this is that, unlike most useful apps, they were able to successfully build virality deeply into the structure of the app by making part of the purpose of using Causes to recruit one&#039;s friends.

But virality is easier said than done, and for most useful apps in which inviting friends is not an inherent part of using the app, it&#039;s very difficult to get a viral coefficient of greater than 1, which is the only real way to get distribution inside Facebook.  (As I described in more detail in the post you referenced.)

The case of FirstGiving is interesting, but my guess is that their growth is not happening organically from inside Facebook but rather because users of their main site are being pushed to add the app inside Facebook.  Actually, that is almost certainly the case, since it is mathematically impossible for them to be growing any other way inside Facebook unless they have a viral coefficient of greater than 1, and if they had that, they&#039;d likely be growing much more rapidly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for mentioning my post, Allan.  Causes is an interesting case, in that it&#8217;s one of the only &#8220;useful&#8221; apps that have gained widespread distribution.  The primary reason for this is that, unlike most useful apps, they were able to successfully build virality deeply into the structure of the app by making part of the purpose of using Causes to recruit one&#8217;s friends.</p>
<p>But virality is easier said than done, and for most useful apps in which inviting friends is not an inherent part of using the app, it&#8217;s very difficult to get a viral coefficient of greater than 1, which is the only real way to get distribution inside Facebook.  (As I described in more detail in the post you referenced.)</p>
<p>The case of FirstGiving is interesting, but my guess is that their growth is not happening organically from inside Facebook but rather because users of their main site are being pushed to add the app inside Facebook.  Actually, that is almost certainly the case, since it is mathematically impossible for them to be growing any other way inside Facebook unless they have a viral coefficient of greater than 1, and if they had that, they&#8217;d likely be growing much more rapidly.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Nourse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Nourse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 19:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justgiving is the major site charity giving site for the London Marathon, which is run at the end of April every year.  The &#039;Giving Season&#039; is different in different places and events :)

On general Facebook apps, I think the issue of signal to noise is a critical one - it&#039;s one reason we&#039;re not putting a big premium on Causes as a vehicle for engagement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justgiving is the major site charity giving site for the London Marathon, which is run at the end of April every year.  The &#8216;Giving Season&#8217; is different in different places and events <img src='http://www.nonprofittechblog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>On general Facebook apps, I think the issue of signal to noise is a critical one &#8211; it&#8217;s one reason we&#8217;re not putting a big premium on Causes as a vehicle for engagement.</p>
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