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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this precious post. I like the way you present the post.Very clear and useful for a newbie like me. Keep blogging. Looking forward to reading your next post. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this precious post. I like the way you present the post.Very clear and useful for a newbie like me. Keep blogging. Looking forward to reading your next post.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Crystle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie Crystle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right--not what I was saying. Nevermind...gotta run.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right&#8211;not what I was saying. Nevermind&#8230;gotta run.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Benamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan Benamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Laura. I think you hit the nail on the head here. There are things I want to say in a prescriptive manner about how nonprofits should use technology and there are things that are just descriptive. It&#039;s clear that both myself and quite a few of the commenters here are advocates of hosted solutions. Of course, Charlie, when selling his software, has to live in the world of the possible. That&#039;s the big disconnect here. It&#039;s not entirely the case that vendors are reluctant to make a change to SaaS (although thankfully Convio seems to have negotiated the transition), it&#039;s also a problem that originates from nonprofits themselves. Customer bias can be a powerful factor in software purchases. I&#039;m just hoping that the general consensus on this blog and elsewhere in the nptech world will at least force nonprofit managers to rethink their biases. I believe that most people already use hosted solutions for the most part if they have personal e-mail accounts on Yahoo, Gmail, AOL or Microsoft. They just have to extend that thinking to cover their other interactions with software.

That said, I&#039;m a huge supporter of Laura&#039;s efforts at Idealware and &lt;a href=&quot;https://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/957/p/10059/donate&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;have in the past donated to her organization&lt;/a&gt;. Just so you readers know, we have never collaborated on research together.. It just so happens that we have a tendency to reach similar conclusions more often than not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Laura. I think you hit the nail on the head here. There are things I want to say in a prescriptive manner about how nonprofits should use technology and there are things that are just descriptive. It&#8217;s clear that both myself and quite a few of the commenters here are advocates of hosted solutions. Of course, Charlie, when selling his software, has to live in the world of the possible. That&#8217;s the big disconnect here. It&#8217;s not entirely the case that vendors are reluctant to make a change to SaaS (although thankfully Convio seems to have negotiated the transition), it&#8217;s also a problem that originates from nonprofits themselves. Customer bias can be a powerful factor in software purchases. I&#8217;m just hoping that the general consensus on this blog and elsewhere in the nptech world will at least force nonprofit managers to rethink their biases. I believe that most people already use hosted solutions for the most part if they have personal e-mail accounts on Yahoo, Gmail, AOL or Microsoft. They just have to extend that thinking to cover their other interactions with software.</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;m a huge supporter of Laura&#8217;s efforts at Idealware and <a href="https://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/957/p/10059/donate" rel="nofollow">have in the past donated to her organization</a>. Just so you readers know, we have never collaborated on research together.. It just so happens that we have a tendency to reach similar conclusions more often than not.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Benamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan Benamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 06:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Laura. I think you hit the nail on the head here. There are things I want to say in a prescriptive manner about how nonprofits should use technology and there are things that are just descriptive. It&#039;s clear that both myself and quite a few of the commenters here are advocates of hosted solutions. Of course, Charlie, when selling his software, has to live in the world of the possible. That&#039;s the big disconnect here. It&#039;s not entirely the case that vendors are reluctant to make a change to SaaS (although thankfully Convio seems to have negotiated the transition), it&#039;s also a problem that originates from nonprofits themselves. Customer bias can be a powerful factor in software purchases. I&#039;m just hoping that the general consensus on this blog and elsewhere in the nptech world will at least force nonprofit managers to rethink their biases. I believe that most people already use hosted solutions for the most part if they have personal e-mail accounts on Yahoo, Gmail, AOL or Microsoft. They just have to extend that thinking to cover their other interactions with software. 
 
That said, I&#039;m a huge supporter of Laura&#039;s efforts at Idealware and &lt;a href=&quot;https://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/957/p/10059/donate&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;have in the past donated to her organization&lt;/a&gt;. Just so you readers know, we have never collaborated on research together.. It just so happens that we have a tendency to reach similar conclusions more often than not. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Laura. I think you hit the nail on the head here. There are things I want to say in a prescriptive manner about how nonprofits should use technology and there are things that are just descriptive. It&#039;s clear that both myself and quite a few of the commenters here are advocates of hosted solutions. Of course, Charlie, when selling his software, has to live in the world of the possible. That&#039;s the big disconnect here. It&#039;s not entirely the case that vendors are reluctant to make a change to SaaS (although thankfully Convio seems to have negotiated the transition), it&#039;s also a problem that originates from nonprofits themselves. Customer bias can be a powerful factor in software purchases. I&#039;m just hoping that the general consensus on this blog and elsewhere in the nptech world will at least force nonprofit managers to rethink their biases. I believe that most people already use hosted solutions for the most part if they have personal e-mail accounts on Yahoo, Gmail, AOL or Microsoft. They just have to extend that thinking to cover their other interactions with software. </p>
<p>That said, I&#039;m a huge supporter of Laura&#039;s efforts at Idealware and <a href="https://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/957/p/10059/donate" target="_blank">have in the past donated to her organization</a>. Just so you readers know, we have never collaborated on research together.. It just so happens that we have a tendency to reach similar conclusions more often than not.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Quinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 05:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little late to the party, but... a few thoughts here, based on our research.  As others have said, I think there&#039;s two questions - what do nonprofits want, and what SHOULD they want? 
 
There&#039;s good reasons for wanting an installed systems, particularly if you compare the actual hosted vs. actual installed systems available.  Things like mail merges, querying, reporting, and generally easy to use interfaces are easier to build in an installed system, so often those systems are stronger in those areas.  You also have more control and often more options over what you can do to the system, if it&#039;s installed on your own network. Just to put that out there to weigh against the many pros of hosted systems that folks have already mentioned (that I agree with, by and large).   
 
I do find, though, that many of the folks that say they want an installed system don&#039;t have good reasons for wanting one.  They often mention things like security or wanting to own their data as reasons they don&#039;t want a hosted system... which are not well founded reasons, in my mind.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little late to the party, but&#8230; a few thoughts here, based on our research.  As others have said, I think there&#039;s two questions &#8211; what do nonprofits want, and what SHOULD they want? </p>
<p>There&#039;s good reasons for wanting an installed systems, particularly if you compare the actual hosted vs. actual installed systems available.  Things like mail merges, querying, reporting, and generally easy to use interfaces are easier to build in an installed system, so often those systems are stronger in those areas.  You also have more control and often more options over what you can do to the system, if it&#039;s installed on your own network. Just to put that out there to weigh against the many pros of hosted systems that folks have already mentioned (that I agree with, by and large).   </p>
<p>I do find, though, that many of the folks that say they want an installed system don&#039;t have good reasons for wanting one.  They often mention things like security or wanting to own their data as reasons they don&#039;t want a hosted system&#8230; which are not well founded reasons, in my mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Benamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan Benamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie, the idea of running a regular on-premise app on a Citrix farm AND a SaaS app on top of it seems to me to be fairly wasteful and expensive. In a world of limited resources, I&#039;d think both the vendor and the user community for such an app would end up relying on one over the other. It wouldn&#039;t really guarantee more uptime either because if your Internet connection goes down, you&#039;d lose access to both your virtual server and your Web application. Clearly, the best move would be to have a small offline app to do data entry in case the Internet connection goes down. Also, from a user training perspective, we&#039;d have to hope that both UIs were fairly similar. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie, the idea of running a regular on-premise app on a Citrix farm AND a SaaS app on top of it seems to me to be fairly wasteful and expensive. In a world of limited resources, I&#039;d think both the vendor and the user community for such an app would end up relying on one over the other. It wouldn&#039;t really guarantee more uptime either because if your Internet connection goes down, you&#039;d lose access to both your virtual server and your Web application. Clearly, the best move would be to have a small offline app to do data entry in case the Internet connection goes down. Also, from a user training perspective, we&#039;d have to hope that both UIs were fairly similar.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Crystle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie Crystle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 07:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(continued) BTW--my work will be on consulting to tech companies (rent a CEO), but my main focus will be on getting universal healthcare in my state of PA through a single-payer system. The Obama plan won&#039;t get us there, and costs will still go up for businesses/nonprofits/schools,etc while failing to cover everyone. So I&#039;m still working with a lot of nonprofits this year. GiftWorks is in great hands, I&#039;m happy to say.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(continued) BTW&#8211;my work will be on consulting to tech companies (rent a CEO), but my main focus will be on getting universal healthcare in my state of PA through a single-payer system. The Obama plan won&#039;t get us there, and costs will still go up for businesses/nonprofits/schools,etc while failing to cover everyone. So I&#039;m still working with a lot of nonprofits this year. GiftWorks is in great hands, I&#039;m happy to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Crystle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie Crystle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 07:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.  
 
If your computer goes down and you are using SAAS, then you switch to another computer and log in, correct? But that computer must have a browser installed, and it probably does. The solution is the same in a desktop-app environment. Computer goes down, you switch to another one with GiftWorks and you&#039;re good to go. My point is that there currently are tradeoffs on both approaches.  
 
Ideally, your data is replicated in real time--perhaps to the cloud, perhaps across other desktops in a peer system, perhaps to a series of backup servers. Perhaps your app is similarly available--if a desktop app, then hosted at a Citrix farm, or running on any number of machines, OR running as a web app in parallel with the desktop app, and your data is both online and behind the firewall. That last combination might nail all points--data available regardlessof app uptime, accessible through whatever app interface is needed or available.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.  </p>
<p>If your computer goes down and you are using SAAS, then you switch to another computer and log in, correct? But that computer must have a browser installed, and it probably does. The solution is the same in a desktop-app environment. Computer goes down, you switch to another one with GiftWorks and you&#039;re good to go. My point is that there currently are tradeoffs on both approaches.  </p>
<p>Ideally, your data is replicated in real time&#8211;perhaps to the cloud, perhaps across other desktops in a peer system, perhaps to a series of backup servers. Perhaps your app is similarly available&#8211;if a desktop app, then hosted at a Citrix farm, or running on any number of machines, OR running as a web app in parallel with the desktop app, and your data is both online and behind the firewall. That last combination might nail all points&#8211;data available regardlessof app uptime, accessible through whatever app interface is needed or available.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Benamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan Benamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marion, sorry for the delay in putting up your comment. For whatever reason, IntenseDebate (the new software I installed to moderate comments on the blog) thought your comment was spam which it most assuredly is not. I hear you though about the difficulties in changing the terms of a grant to fit the SaaS model. Grantmakers and grant administrators don&#039;t usually keep up on IT trends so they don&#039;t understand that maintenance costs are associated with software EVEN if it&#039;s on-premise. For instance, Blackbaud charges licensing and support fees per year. It has to be budgeted in and woe to the non-savvy IT Director who forgets to put that number into their budget or their grant request. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marion, sorry for the delay in putting up your comment. For whatever reason, IntenseDebate (the new software I installed to moderate comments on the blog) thought your comment was spam which it most assuredly is not. I hear you though about the difficulties in changing the terms of a grant to fit the SaaS model. Grantmakers and grant administrators don&#39;t usually keep up on IT trends so they don&#39;t understand that maintenance costs are associated with software EVEN if it&#39;s on-premise. For instance, Blackbaud charges licensing and support fees per year. It has to be budgeted in and woe to the non-savvy IT Director who forgets to put that number into their budget or their grant request.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Benamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan Benamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie, thanks for coming in. Sorry to hear you&#039;re leaving GiftWorks, stick around the sector though. You&#039;re doing great work. I hope you consider making a SaaS version of Giftworks in the long run. I agree with you though, I certainly have my biases and it&#039;s good that you note them. I think long-time readers of this blog know I&#039;m a pain in the ass regarding SaaS vs. on-premise solutions so I think they take my agita with a grain of salt. I just worry more about the delivery method of software than the software itself. 
 
That said, you&#039;re right about those sales issues. You can&#039;t &quot;force&quot; non-profits to one particular type of solution (even if you think it&#039;s the right one). That&#039;s not the way nonprofits think about their fundraising software. However, I hope in some tiny way with my blog some nonprofit managers will at least rethink their existing bias in favor of mine. ;) I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll agree that from a maintenance point of view on the part of a software vendor, a SaaS solution is much easier to update and support than on-premise software.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie, thanks for coming in. Sorry to hear you&#039;re leaving GiftWorks, stick around the sector though. You&#039;re doing great work. I hope you consider making a SaaS version of Giftworks in the long run. I agree with you though, I certainly have my biases and it&#039;s good that you note them. I think long-time readers of this blog know I&#039;m a pain in the ass regarding SaaS vs. on-premise solutions so I think they take my agita with a grain of salt. I just worry more about the delivery method of software than the software itself. </p>
<p>That said, you&#039;re right about those sales issues. You can&#039;t &quot;force&quot; non-profits to one particular type of solution (even if you think it&#039;s the right one). That&#039;s not the way nonprofits think about their fundraising software. However, I hope in some tiny way with my blog some nonprofit managers will at least rethink their existing bias in favor of mine. <img src='http://www.nonprofittechblog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll agree that from a maintenance point of view on the part of a software vendor, a SaaS solution is much easier to update and support than on-premise software.</p>
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